Cecil Donald Kiser & Laura Ann Rider, 1918-1921 (Courtship & Marriage)

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Here are two somewhat overlapping accounts of Cecil & Laura’s courtship [by Granny (Laura) and by Mom (Kate) and Uncle Don].

Don’s and Kate’s narratives are obviously second-hand, but they provide some details that Granny herself did not. My recommendation is always to listen to the account prior to (or at the same time as) reading it. For each story, an audio file and transcription are provided.

A few things stood out to me as I perused the stories (see comments below).

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Cecil Donald Kiser & Laura Ann Rider Family Timeline, 1918-1921

1918/9/18: On Cecil’s draft registration form, his home address is listed as 634 Johnston, Akron, OH (same as parents). His occupation is recorded as laborer for A.M. Allue Electric Co in Akron.

• 1920/01/12: According to the 1920 US Census, Lewis, Lola, and Cecil were living in Akron City, Summit County, OH; Precinct #11.

• 1920-1921: Sometime within this period, the family moved back to Dixie, West Virginia.

• 1921: Cecil went on a months-long hobo-trip out west. He was accompanied by Jess Osborne and Gib Backus. Among the people he supposedly encountered was singer/actor Burl Ives, who was also hoboing. [Ives was born in 1909, so it is unlikely he was hoboing at that time.]

• 1921/06: When Cecil returned from hoboing, he immediately proposed to Laura. They were married within a week.

• 1921/06/21: Cecil and Laura were married in Dixie.

General Observations about this section:

• Courtship in that era was conspicuously different from dating in today’s culture. Families were emphasized and fathers supervised the process. A similar story was told by Holly Workman about his sister’s courtship experience. See the menu tab Nathan Melvrie Workman & Juditha Totten Hamrick, 1877-1965 (Narratives by Hollie Workman) for details.

• Scotford/Bentree was a thriving community at this time, with a silent movie theatre, wood sidewalks, community center, and upscale homes. See the menu tab Bentree & Beyond for additional information.

• Based on what I know about the geography at the time, the road though Bentree was probably adjacent to the creek (identified as Open Fork on USGS maps, having its beginning at Independence) as opposed to its current location. Sometime around 1900, the railroad had been extended north to Bentree, as shown on the map below.

• Obviously, there were no street lights and all the roads were dirt. Electricity came to Bentree in the early 1940’s.

• All three of the narrators mentioned that Cecil was on a months-long hobo trip. That apparently was a common occurrence in that era. He was supposed to have encountered Burl Ives (famous folk singer and actor) who was on one of his own hobo pilgrimages. The veracity of that account is in question, since Ives was born in 1909.

• The incident with the gun injects a little bit of the wild west mentality to the narrative.

Laura and Cecil Met at the Silent Movies in Bentree

Mike: How did you meet Grandpa?

Laura: Well, they were down—they had been out in Ohio, and he came to his grandma’s to visit. And they had a show every Saturday night, and my daddy would take us (he sold the tickets). And then we could stay for the show. Cecil, and a gang of them from Dixie, came and they sat in back of us. I don’t even remember who was sitting with me anymore. But anyway, we struck up a conversation someway, and I don’t remember how. He said to me, “May I take you home?” and I said, “I don’t know you!” But he said, “But I would like to take you home.”  And I said, “Well, I don’t know. I will have to ask my daddy. He is here.” So, when the show was over, I talked to my dad (of course, my folks knew them). And he said, “Mr. Rider, may I take Laura home.” He said, “Yes.” And it was early, just about 9 o’clock. So, we walked home, and I think he came in and stayed 15 or 20 minutes and met Mother and Grandpa. Then he had to walk back to Dixie. So, before the next week was over, he came up to the house. And he said, “Well, can I take you to the show this weekend?” I said, “As far as I know, it will be all right, and remember my dad always goes with us.” And he said, that was fine.

Mike: What kind of movies would it have been.

Laura: Silent movies. Nothing, think about it. But it was a treat to us, Michael, you know. We hadn’t been any place or hadn’t seen anything.

Mike: Where was the movie at?

Laura: Right down there in Bentree. You wouldn’t think there would be enough room for it would you. You would be surprised how much room there was down there.

Kate: Where was it?

Laura: Well, if I live to get back home, we will go down through there, and I will show you just about where it was. I can picture it in my mind, but it is pretty hard for me to explain just exactly where it was. [The location described here is where Elswick’s sawmill was located.]

Laura and Cecil Courtship Details

Laura: But that is how I met Cecil. And we went together a year. And then his friend had been staying with him there at Belva, Jess Osborne. He has the same name as his mother’s maiden name, but they weren’t any relation. But anyway, they worked over an old Model T Ford--put a 16-valve head on it, and they was getting ready to come to Akron. And he hadn’t told me anything about it. Now this a true story, Michael. Anyway, I did not hear it from him for three or four days, and my brother had gone to Dixie and stayed with his friends overnight. When he came home the next morning, and of course the boys in Bentree were jealous of the boys in Dixie. So, my brother said to me, “How are you this morning?” And I said, “Why do you ask?”  He said, “Well, I am just going to give you some news. Your old Kiser Bill is gone.” That is what they called him. I thought, it is a joke. But I never said nothin’. Well, Saturday night came, and we went to the show. And sure enough, everybody was there except Cecil. By that time, I knew that it was true. So, I thought, well, he is gone. I will never see him again. So, I grieved around there for probably a couple, three months, maybe a couple months, I don’t remember anymore, it has been so long. Didn’t hear a word from him.

So, I went to the show again the next weekend--that was the only place we had to go. And sometimes they would have a square dance after the show. Daddy would allow us to stay and dance, as long as there wasn’t any rumbles or rowdy going on. But most of the time somebody always had a bottle sneaking around, you know. It was moonshine back then. But anyway, when they would start that, Dad would say it is time to go home girls. Go home. But this one time in particular, the boys from Dixie was there, and there were some people there by the name of Kidd (?). And they had three boys: Charles, Jim, and I forget the third one’s name. But anyway, during the show…again the boys always managed to sit in back of the girls, you know. So, Charles tapped me on the shoulder and said, “Laura.” I said hi to him. He said, “May I take you home tonight?” I said, “Yes.” He was really handsome: tall, blonde, curly hair, peaches-and-cream complexion. So, we had gone together a couple of weeks.

Mike: Mike teased her about being popular.

Laura: Well, if that is what you would like to call it, I don’t know. I really didn’t look too bad, I don’t think. So, we went together. He asked if it would be alright for me to come up tomorrow afternoon, and I said, “Sure”. As I said, there was nothing to do. Maybe five or six of us would get together and go for a walk and come back. He did not stay too long because he had to walk back, he lived up to Bell Creek (that is quite a little ways). So, he said, “Well if nothing happens, I will see you next weekend.” And I said, “Okay that will be fine.” Well in the meantime, I went someplace, I don’t know where, maybe to the company store. It was a nice big store. Someone said to me have you heard the news. I said no, I haven’t been any place. Well, your old Kiser Bill is back. Well, sure enough when we went to the show on Saturday night, who was there but Cecil. And Charlie was there, too. I didn’t know what to do. Because I loved Cecil, but I didn’t know if he would ever be back. He never told me he would be back or never told me he was going away. But anyway, he said, “Well, sweetheart, I am back.” I said, “Yes, but it has been a long while. How’s come you didn’t write?”  He said, “You will never know how many letters I have written, but somehow I never had the courage to mail them.” He said, “Can I go home with you?” I said, “I don’t know. I’ve been going with Charlie.” He said, “Yea, but I love you. That is the reason I came back.”  So, we were married within a week. I thought he must have loved me, or he would not have come back. They were “hoboing”. They had money, but they were hobos. You could do that back then. There were three of them, Uncle Gib went with them. Yeah, he was hoboing.

Laura and Cecil Courting in Bentree (told by Don & Kate)

Kate: Tell about when they went a courting up in Bentree.

Don: Who Dad? Well, I am just going by what Mom told me. But when she was courting Dad, the road was reversed to what is now, right? The main road was behind the house, by the creek, because Mom said when Dad would leave there, he would carry a gun on him. The first thing he would do is shoot it one time to let the boys know down the creek that he was coming down through there. He had the gun because he had gotten in trouble. I guess they were doing things they should not be doing and tried to beat the tar out of him. He said, “I’ll just carry a gun. Me and that gun makes it equal.” Mom said the first thing you do is shoot off that gun and let those boys down the creek know that. They did not bother him any either.

Kate: And then he went on a big hobo trip.

Don: Yeah, him and Jess Osborne, wasn’t it? Did Uncle Gib go with them? [They tossed it back and forth. Don thought maybe Uncle Gib was part of it, but he may be wrong about that.]

They went hoboing. There was a lot of it back in those days, you know. But they would put you in jail today for that. They went out west. He met Burl Ives. [Ives was a famous folk singer and actor.] They ran into him when they were hoboing; I don’t know where it was at. But he was hoboing, too. That was before he became popular as a singer. Yep! That is what Mom told me. Back in them days, they must have just done it for the adventure. I am sure Jess Osborne went, and I am quite sure it was Uncle Gib also. It could have been before Uncle Gib married Aunt Mary. I don’t know. He was older than Dad…a little bit.

LAKv1: Cecil and Laura Married in Belva

Mike: Tell me about where you got married.

Laura: Well, it simply rained cats and dogs. We went to Summersville to get our license. And it was just a dirt road then. And Uncle Fred and my cousin got married at the same time we did. They went along with us, and my dad went with us, too. I was not allowed to go up there to even get my license to get married, without my daddy being with us. I was 18 years old in May and was married the 29th of June. On the way back we had a flat tire in there in Belva. It was a Model T that belonged to Uncle Fred.

Mike: What kind of roads were there between there and Summersville?

Laura: Dirt roads. Mud roads, we were muddy as could be. But we went ahead and got married. Have you ever heard of Benny Bird; he was the minister. Kate knew of him. We were supposed to go on up home and get married there. But we had put the whole day in and everybody was wore out, so we decided we would just get married at the minister’s house. And, of course, it is called a parsonage, but it is just a house. We stopped and got married, we had a double wedding. Uncle Fred and Delda got married, and Daddy and I got married. It was planned on their part, but I did not know it. Her mother did not know they were going to get married. Delda was a Harvey. They were first cousins. So, after we had the double ceremony, we went on up home, and of course we took the minister with us. Mother had a nice dinner fixed for us, fried chicken and all the goodies that went with it. Cakes and pies. You might as well say we had a pretty decent time after all. Even though it rained all day on us. It took us all day. We left early in the morning, and I felt so sorry for my daddy--he had a toothache all day. Bless his heart. When we got to Summersville, he went and got something that kind of eased it up just a little. But of course, it rained and made it worse. And you know how that road is today, all crooked and what it would be if it was dirt. But I guess at 18, I was happy, and you did not think too much about those things. Dad [Cecil] was 21.

Cecil & Laura Moved to Akron

Kate: They run together a lot. That was before they got married and they all came to Akron.

Don: What did Mom say…that she was 19 when they come up here? That would have made Dad about 23 years old.

Kate: No, Daddy was born in 1900, and Mom was born in 1902. But Mom says 1903 or 1904, but that wasn’t right.

Don: Okay, well Dad would have been 21...I think Mom was saying she was 19 when they come up here.